Dryside Dispatch • November 6th • Mark Gregory and Dylan Wann

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hello, it's Tillery, Tim and Sims here again, back with Dusty, my brother. [00:00:06] Speaker B: Howdy. Howdy. [00:00:07] Speaker A: Andy's not with us today, but we're again. I know he's always doing something. No, he's always fishing or doing something. Doing important [00:00:14] Speaker B: work. He's in the Lord's work, I think. [00:00:16] Speaker A: Oh, you think so? [00:00:17] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe not. [00:00:18] Speaker A: Well, I don't know. He works. I [00:00:20] Speaker B: don't know. God likes fishing, so I mean he might be. [00:00:22] Speaker A: Well, that's true. I think so. He's a fisherman. [00:00:24] Speaker B: That's right. [00:00:25] Speaker A: They had that in common. So we're excited to be here today with some friends from Brownfield, some peanuts folks from international peanut group. Krat. [00:00:37] Speaker C: Correct. [00:00:39] Speaker A: That's right. You guys get it right. You guys introduce yourselves. Do, do your set. Do your, do the honors. [00:00:45] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right. That's right. My name is Dylan Juan. I'm a plant breeder for ipg. So you don't have to say International Peanut Group every time we can IPG quote. So been there about 12 years. Just finished my 12th crop work in there and family business. So I'm also part of the family too. This is my brother in law. [00:01:07] Speaker A: Awesome. [00:01:07] Speaker C: The next guy. [00:01:08] Speaker A: There you go. [00:01:10] Speaker D: Yeah. So Mark Gregory kind of run operations with ipg. We were. It's a family business. So we started from the time I was like seven, I think something like that in Argentina and then moved to Texas and kind of developing varieties for Texas for the needs there. I met Dylan in, in school and I was like, man, he's way smarter than I am. He'd be really good at being the breeder. Plus my sister needed to pick a little better on the boyfriend, so I signed him up with my sister. [00:01:41] Speaker C: Yeah. Not throwing her under the bus [00:01:43] Speaker D: actually. Yeah. So she ended up, you know, they. They hit it off. [00:01:46] Speaker A: It worked. [00:01:47] Speaker C: It did, yeah. [00:01:48] Speaker D: So. [00:01:48] Speaker C: But we got married beforehand. So I was married a year before, before I started working. So you know, I [00:01:52] Speaker D: was like. They [00:01:52] Speaker C: could kind of get an idea of how dumb I was. [00:01:54] Speaker D: Matchmaker. Human resources, kind of. Kind of. [00:01:57] Speaker C: That's right. No, it worked out good. So. No, I found [00:02:00] Speaker B: out interesting. Human resources department. [00:02:03] Speaker D: That's right. [00:02:04] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right. That's right. The [00:02:05] Speaker A: matchmaking side. So you guys were in Argentina. When did you get come back to the United States? [00:02:10] Speaker D: It was around 2000. [00:02:12] Speaker A: Okay. [00:02:13] Speaker D: I was 12 years old. So [00:02:15] Speaker A: did you come straight to Brownfield? [00:02:17] Speaker D: Denver City. [00:02:18] Speaker A: Denver City, [00:02:20] Speaker C: February. Right. So it was like middle of the summer in Argentina. Then moved to Denver city in February. [00:02:24] Speaker D: Culture shock, you know. Personal space. It's a lot different from Argentina to Denver City, for sure. So it was really cool. Yeah, we. We're kind of like the immigrant. Immigrant store, you know, moving in to the US and just working hard and finding good people and it's. [00:02:42] Speaker A: Yeah, [00:02:42] Speaker D: we're real proud to be here. [00:02:43] Speaker A: Yeah. So how did you migrate from Denver City all the way over to Brownfield? [00:02:48] Speaker D: So my parents taught Spanish at Wellman, like at the. At the school. So we lived, like, in the schoolhouse and everything. And then. Then dad was teaching Spanish at Texas Tech for a while and then doing all the. All the peanut stuff just with a shovel by hand. So growing up at Wellman, we would bring all the. The peanut samples in and like, all winter long, you know, pull the samples off by hand and shell them by hand. Go to sleep. You just see peanuts, you know, with your eyes closed, [00:03:17] Speaker C: leaping over fences. [00:03:18] Speaker A: This is blowing my mind. Started [00:03:19] Speaker D: just from. From nothing there. And then the peanut deal kind of took off. And so then dad quit, you know, teaching at Tech and then went full time. [00:03:27] Speaker A: Okay, so [00:03:28] Speaker D: peanut stuff. [00:03:30] Speaker A: Is your dad a peanut breeder? Like a. Like a. See, like a. [00:03:34] Speaker D: He's. He has a seed physiology degree. From Tech. From Tech, and then like a Spanish lit background. Because he thought he was going to, like, teach Spanish at Tech. We didn't. He didn't. He's got a lot of energy and a lot of interest. Yes, [00:03:48] Speaker A: he [00:03:48] Speaker D: does [00:03:48] Speaker A: have a lot of energy. A [00:03:49] Speaker D: lot of things at the same time. [00:03:50] Speaker A: He's [00:03:50] Speaker C: basically like Henry for. Decided to start a peanut company. [00:03:54] Speaker D: And we actually started. We got into Peanuts through mission work. So he. Okay, we went to Argentina to do mission work. And he wanted to. He didn't like being paid to from by the church. He's like, well, people are struggling. He's like, I need to just have a job. So that's kind of fell into Peanuts that [00:04:10] Speaker A: way. [00:04:11] Speaker D: And so anyway. Yeah, so that kind of a roundabout, crazy [00:04:15] Speaker A: kingdom [00:04:16] Speaker D: coincidences that we. That we look for. [00:04:19] Speaker A: Right. So where did. Where did your parents grow up? [00:04:22] Speaker D: So my mom grew up in Seminole. Her dad was a. Was a coach there. But caffeine, everybody, they named the gym after him. Sadly, I have no real athletic ability. [00:04:33] Speaker C: I have even less. So. So y' all know who you're dealing with. [00:04:36] Speaker D: It was all transferred to peanuts. That's right. [00:04:38] Speaker C: That's [00:04:38] Speaker D: right. Not to basketball. And then my dad grew up in, like, Gerard kind of spur area. Area. [00:04:44] Speaker A: Okay. Off [00:04:45] Speaker D: the cap rocks. [00:04:46] Speaker A: Okay. So y'. All. So they kind of came back home. [00:04:48] Speaker D: Yes, ma'. Am. [00:04:49] Speaker A: Okay. All right. [00:04:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:51] Speaker A: Went into the mission field. [00:04:53] Speaker C: It was a homecoming for them. Yeah. Of course, I've got their story by proxy through my wife as well. But it was homecoming for their parents, but for Mark and his sister, it was. It [00:05:02] Speaker A: was [00:05:02] Speaker C: leaving. It was leaving home forever. And so it was this, like, tragic culture shock deal. [00:05:08] Speaker A: Oh, my goodness. [00:05:08] Speaker D: They call it third culture, which is just a nice way of saying that you're weird. [00:05:13] Speaker A: Well, that happens also when you've been in school. [00:05:15] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah, that's [00:05:16] Speaker B: right. I can say I haven't. I've. I live 42 miles from where I was, where I grew up. [00:05:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:22] Speaker B: Yeah. It's. I'm weird anyway. The [00:05:23] Speaker C: same. Yeah. Well, [00:05:24] Speaker D: at least I have an excuse. That's [00:05:25] Speaker B: right. [00:05:26] Speaker C: Yeah, [00:05:27] Speaker B: that is true. [00:05:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:29] Speaker A: Well, it's. It's nice that you have, though, like, that you were attached and you had good memories there and you know, that kind of thing. [00:05:35] Speaker D: Yes, ma'. [00:05:36] Speaker A: Am. So. [00:05:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:37] Speaker A: But I can understand. I also have this son that we adopted from China when he was 12. [00:05:41] Speaker D: Wow. [00:05:42] Speaker A: And so, yeah, in fact, when I left him, he was chopping up bacon to do some kind of actually pork belly to do some type of meal that he is creating. [00:05:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:53] Speaker A: So, yeah, he. So we have a lot of that kind of mind. We do still celebrate, you know, some Chinese holidays and stuff with him and things, so. [00:06:02] Speaker C: Well, it's exciting, too. It's like, especially, you know, Mark. Mark and his sister grew up speaking Spanish and by and large is a native language. And so you. You see the world. I've. I've learned it as an adult very, you know, difficultly, with much difficulty, much travail. And so I just think it's amazing to be able to grow up just knowing. Just knowing two languages and being able to see the world in two different ways. [00:06:28] Speaker A: It is two [00:06:29] Speaker C: different lenses like that. [00:06:30] Speaker A: Yesterday, I watched the Texas Governor elect do her first press conference, and she took some questions in Spanish and answered them in Spanish. That was really fun to watch. I was excited. Excited to see that. Yeah. [00:06:45] Speaker C: Yeah. It's funny, my wife is an audiologist in Lubbock and does. Has a lot of Spanish speaking patients. And I can tell when she's been. She's had a few of them back to back. Because she'll come home at the end of the day and be struggling to explain dinner. Like, what's dinner? It's like, can you pass me the. The. The. Like you can say it in Spanish. It's okay. [00:07:03] Speaker A: Oh, my goodness. But it's [00:07:05] Speaker C: funny. Her brain works better In Spanish. Which is. Which is real interesting how that is. His dad's the same way. His brain works better, I think in [00:07:11] Speaker D: Spanish, you just get stuck between the two. Yeah. Which. Another one. Even if you grew up in Brownfield, if you can't remember a word, you just say, oh, how do you say that in English? That's a good way to get out of an embarrassing moment. [00:07:21] Speaker B: Yeah, [00:07:21] Speaker C: yeah, yeah. Well, [00:07:22] Speaker B: I always tell people that my. My vineyard in my peanut Spanish is. Is passable. Like, I can usually talk to a crew that's working the vineyard. Yeah. I used to be better in the vineyard in the peanut field when I used to do some consulting in Mexico. But my Walmart Spanish is terrible. Like, I can't. I mean, I couldn't do that on a dare, but, you know, I can tell them how I want it pruned. Yeah. In Spanish and. Yeah. You know, go from there. [00:07:48] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, my. My oldest son married first generation Mexican American. Wonderful. Daniela, she's amazing. And none of her family spoke Eng. So he's like, I need to learn how to speak to my family, you know? So he really dug in and learned how to speak Spanish. And then they spent, I think, about three months in Mexico City just to, like, now he's like six, four. Okay. White boy, the widest of the white kids. You know what I mean? And so. But his Spanish is really good. People just always kind of look at him and it's like, what? Where are you from? [00:08:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:08:22] Speaker A: But then he does. When we adopted Joseph, then he started taking on Mandarin, and so now he's FL in that. [00:08:31] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:08:31] Speaker A: Like [00:08:32] Speaker C: the easiest one to learn for an English [00:08:33] Speaker A: speaker. Exactly. And then it seems there are three of the. My boys are going to go to back to China in this spring and. Or maybe in June. I think it's in June. And so I'm glad that at least two of them can speak when they go. That makes it [00:08:50] Speaker C: a lot more fun, for sure. You need connect a whole lot more. [00:08:54] Speaker A: Exactly, Exactly. Yeah. That'll be really fun because they'll do a lot of. Gonna go back to Joseph's hometown and, you know, some of those kind of things. So it's gonna be really cool. [00:09:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:02] Speaker A: So [00:09:03] Speaker C: that's interesting. The world's a big place and a small place at the same time. That's. That's what we've learned. There's. [00:09:08] Speaker A: It's so true. [00:09:09] Speaker C: Yeah. Lots of. Lots of really interesting things and people and good people to work with. [00:09:13] Speaker A: There are a lot of good people. There really are. It's Really? I think something I've found just like, as I kind of grew out of my comfort zone in dealing with like, people that are just. They don't farm the way we farm or they think different about farming and that kind of stuff. And even like, I found like people that I would be like, that's an environmentalist or echo, like, actually that person's got some sense, you know, and they're not as far weird as I thought they would be. Yeah. [00:09:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:44] Speaker B: You're weirder than you thought. You were one of those two. [00:09:46] Speaker C: That's right. Maybe a little bowl. [00:09:50] Speaker D: Well, anybody that's actually doing something deserves some respect. It's like if people talk about doing things, it. Regardless of what side they're. They're on versus like, okay, at the end of the day we can talk about all these things, but like, with what we're doing, like, we have to get seed in the ground by this date. Yeah. To water it. So like, you can think whatever you want to think about it, but what are the results? [00:10:13] Speaker A: That's right. And it's true. Not even just in occupation, but like, you know, ideas and problem solving. Complaining about something instead of like, what can we do to fix this problem? We see it, you know. Yeah. Taking responsibility. If I don't do it, who's gonna do it? [00:10:29] Speaker C: Yeah. And then getting started too, because, you know, you can sit and iterate and iterate and iterate without actually getting started. And sometimes you [00:10:36] Speaker A: have. [00:10:36] Speaker C: You have to just get started and [00:10:38] Speaker A: then. And [00:10:38] Speaker C: then figure it out as you go. [00:10:40] Speaker A: Oh, man. Exactly. [00:10:41] Speaker C: A lot of the way that we've done things on the IPG side as well, it's like, well, let's just get started and let's see what happens. [00:10:47] Speaker D: To be dumb enough to get started. [00:10:49] Speaker A: Yeah, that's so true. Not [00:10:50] Speaker C: think you're too smart to exactly do this or that, you know. [00:10:53] Speaker A: Yeah. That's pretty much how Lacy and I just kind of did with the Sarah, the non profit. We just said we just gotta start doing stuff. Yeah. Like stuff just needs to be done. So. But. Yeah, but it sometimes too. It does. Like you're the one doing stuff and then you're the one that gets. Also a lot of the criticism too. That's more of the, like, you know, you're kind of the one that's, you know, taking the hit for. [00:11:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:17] Speaker A: Something that might become just mainstream later on. Yeah. For a while. It's like, you know. Are you crazy? Yes. It's [00:11:25] Speaker C: like the, the Teddy Roosevelt's man in the arena. So much Easier to sit and criticize when you're not the one bloodied and sweating. [00:11:32] Speaker A: Exactly. Out there [00:11:34] Speaker C: doing it. [00:11:36] Speaker B: Getting out there and doing it. I've had. I wouldn't want to ask you this question for about two weeks now. And so it's been thick. Okay, now, [00:11:44] Speaker C: no pressure. Here we go. [00:11:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, it's. I can promise you it's not that hard a question for you to answer. So Jim got started when he started doing peanuts. What variety of peanuts? Because. Okay. For people don't know, there are Spanish peanuts, there are Valencia peanuts, there are runner peanuts, and there are Virginia peanuts. Virginia's are typically ballparks of big, huge seeds. Yep. Spanish are what you see in most of your candy bars. That kind of stuff. Valencias are typically the. The roasted red, like. Yeah, the red, like four or five kernels in them. And then runners are like peanut butter. [00:12:19] Speaker D: Y. [00:12:19] Speaker B: That's real. That's not 100. True. But it's close enough to government work. Yeah. So did your. Did Jim start on. Did he start on Valencias or was it Spanish or was it runners? It was [00:12:29] Speaker D: the. What was it it. Because that I was still just doing stuff, not paying attention. But I think it was the 458 was the first runners. [00:12:37] Speaker B: Okay. [00:12:37] Speaker C: So high lake runner out of. [00:12:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:39] Speaker D: How lake runner and then the 48. But then we went into Spanish and Valencias and Virginia's. Okay. So now we do all of them. All four market types. [00:12:51] Speaker B: And for [00:12:52] Speaker D: how lake and normal. [00:12:53] Speaker B: And for people that don't know. Okay, how lake. There's a couple of things I'm going to just kind of feeling. Yeah. So highlight and then normal. That. That high lake's got a longer shelf life. And so that's the preferred. Like, mm. Mars and the big, big users, they. They really want high oleic. [00:13:11] Speaker A: So maybe. Maybe you should back back up a little bit further and talk about oleic. What's. What does this mean? [00:13:16] Speaker B: It's. It's an oil and it's a peanut oil. [00:13:21] Speaker C: It's part of the oil. Yeah. It's kind of like, you know, peanut oil, which. There's a lot of it in peanuts. So that's. That's why that's a big aspect of peanuts is half the. Or nearly half of the kernel is oil. Oil and fat mostly in the oil form. [00:13:33] Speaker A: Please notice how we're not calling it the Net. [00:13:35] Speaker C: I know. That's right. That's right. [00:13:36] Speaker A: Yes. It is not. [00:13:37] Speaker B: It is [00:13:37] Speaker C: not. It's a legume. It's a legume. It competes against nuts [00:13:40] Speaker B: yeah, [00:13:41] Speaker C: but it's [00:13:42] Speaker B: truly a mesquite bean is a myth. [00:13:45] Speaker C: That's. Yeah, that's exactly, exactly. Yeah. Another legume. That's right. But, but so, so the composition of the oil is what we're talking about when we say high oleic that a higher percentage of that oil is comprised of oleic acid. Oh like fatty acid. Which has a lot greater stability, oxidative stability. So it doesn't. So those peanuts don't tend to get rancid quicker. Yeah. Whereas a normal peanut prior to high oleic being developed through breeding at the University of Florida years ago. Prior to that the normal state of the peanut is that it has a much shorter shelf life. And so, so you're exactly right. So think of it as the, the more basically the less processed a peanut is or the, the more it's in its more natural form, say like in a whole peanut in an M and M or in shell peanut that you're getting at the store, a circus peanut or a ballpark peanut. It's better for those to be high o lake because there's not very little you can do to those to preserve the shelf life. It's what you have is what you got. And if it's normal lake, it'll go rancid a lot faster. [00:14:41] Speaker B: And it's a very good example of, of plant breeding improving a product without having it it be a super, super processed food. [00:14:50] Speaker C: That's right. Or, or a gmo. So that's, that's through non GMO technology which [00:14:56] Speaker B: it's all hard working breeding on that stuff. [00:14:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:59] Speaker B: And now it's just almost lost. I just almost lost my train of thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So where was I when I when we went [00:15:07] Speaker A: talking about breeding? [00:15:08] Speaker B: Okay. [00:15:08] Speaker C: The market types. Valencia is where we got started. [00:15:11] Speaker B: When you got, when you started that. Okay. So what people, what everybody needs to know is that peanut breeding historically has been a southeast deal. It's been, that's been the University of Georgia, Florida, you know those universities, they, they did the peanut breed all this stuff. And then when peanuts started be growing out, grown out here in. When they changed the farm bill and yeah, they dropped the peanut. When that opened it up and they opened, they got rid of, you know, they did away with the quota program or they made the pro, made it [00:15:44] Speaker A: more. It [00:15:44] Speaker C: was like late, late 90s, I think right around 2000 basically. So think 2000 functionally is when it started out [00:15:49] Speaker B: here. And so at that point in time the peanut seed that we're growing out here was coming out from Georgia and places like that, you know, Georgia, Virginia, they moved it out here. There was some stuff. Some stuff in. In Oklahoma and. And then the, you know, the deleon Stephenville area where they grew. Historically grew peanuts. [00:16:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:08] Speaker B: But when it came up onto the high plains, our growing conditions are different, and every one of them responded way different. [00:16:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:16] Speaker B: I think the first runner that we had was like a 110R. It was supposed to be 110 day peanut. You got out of here and it was 130 day peanut. And if you didn't, you know, if you didn't adjust for that, it caused problems on harvest. [00:16:28] Speaker C: That's right. [00:16:29] Speaker B: And so Jim was one of the first people to start really literally breeding for our area. And it. It might be just a. Which is that thank God he moved back home instead of moving to Georgia. [00:16:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:43] Speaker B: You know, because. Because, I mean, as far as I know, y' all have way led the way in breeding varieties that are more. More well adapted, more suited for out here. And so I just want to say, as an old peanut consultant, kudos to you guys. All [00:16:58] Speaker C: right. All right. [00:16:59] Speaker B: But it's, it's. It's been interesting. [00:17:02] Speaker A: Our great grandfather was. They called him Peanut Wagner because. [00:17:05] Speaker C: Okay, [00:17:06] Speaker A: the. The story is he was the first one to grow peanuts up on the high plains. [00:17:10] Speaker C: Interesting. [00:17:10] Speaker A: But then I. Which [00:17:11] Speaker C: is no small thing. This is like, I wouldn't think of growing peanuts out here. Yeah. [00:17:15] Speaker B: I don't think. Pretty [00:17:15] Speaker C: innovative [00:17:16] Speaker B: on a grand scale. He just did it enough to kind of get the. [00:17:19] Speaker D: Then he was smart because being the first one of anything. [00:17:23] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, just like you were talking about a second ago, it's like when. Before it becomes mainstream, that's. [00:17:27] Speaker A: It is. That's [00:17:28] Speaker C: when you're really, really find out what you're [00:17:29] Speaker A: made of. [00:17:31] Speaker D: That's what, you know, you're tied in with basically on the. You're a crop consultant. [00:17:35] Speaker B: I have been. Okay. I mercifully was able to abandon that and go into grapes and. Well, I don't know if that was a good thing or not. Now. Yeah. [00:17:45] Speaker C: Yeah. Right now it will swing back up. [00:17:47] Speaker D: Well tied into the farm like that. That's our favorite thing to do is to deal with farmers first. [00:17:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:53] Speaker D: Because you come into the farmer and then you say. Because a lot of times they're not used to being asked, what, what do you want to grow? Yeah. Having. Just having options. And so you come in and you say, okay, here's, you know, for us, we're maintaining what, 12,000, up to 15,000 lines, I guess, [00:18:08] Speaker C: worldwide. [00:18:08] Speaker D: Worldwide. But we have. So we have a lot of things to pick from, but we live here. And so we were looking at a bunch of things all the time. And then. [00:18:14] Speaker A: Wait a second. [00:18:15] Speaker D: Yeah, [00:18:16] Speaker A: 15,000 lines. [00:18:20] Speaker C: Yeah. So breeding for different. Different origins, different diseases, you know, because Georgia has different diseases than we [00:18:26] Speaker A: have in Texas. And you're like, in your brain or all these 15,0001 year. Not [00:18:30] Speaker C: in my brain, in [00:18:31] Speaker A: a bunch of [00:18:31] Speaker C: spreadsheets. [00:18:33] Speaker D: Wildly schizophrenic. [00:18:34] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right. [00:18:35] Speaker D: Fifteen thousand. [00:18:36] Speaker C: That's right. But it is. It is funny with. With time, it's. I remember seeing breeders. I trained in a master's program at the University of Georgia, and I remember seeing the breeder out there be able to call something out from the field and say, that's probably this. That's this, or this, and thinking, no, there's. There's no way you could do that. But [00:18:51] Speaker B: yeah, [00:18:51] Speaker C: now with time, it's like you see something. I mean, you know, you may not be. Be able to drive 75 miles an hour by a peanut field and be able to call it out, but a lot of things you can recognize little hints of this or that. Just like with kids, it's like. You can see in my kids, it's like, oh, yeah, like, I see. I see my. My mom's dad in you a lot, you know, but you would. You would have to know your mom's. Of course, he's been dead 20 years now. But it's. It's kind of a similar thing. You can see a lot of those cool trends and traits over time, but it's. Yeah, it's a lot to keep track of. But. So [00:19:19] Speaker A: you're starting with the farmer and saying, yeah, what do you need? What do you want? So [00:19:22] Speaker D: Dylan's doing. So Dylan does everything from the cross all the way, you know, plant by plant selections. And again, we're. We're doing everything at the same time. So every market type, high oleic, normal lake, all of it for all over the world. And we're based out of Brownfield. It's just west of Gomez is where our test plots are. So we get to see every. Dylan sees everything we're going through. And I get to see it, like, at a lighter level. I'm not getting in the weeds like he is. And so then we take it from there to uniform line. Then we start doing some small increases, and we're looking at things for years before we start getting ready to commercialize it. So then we can come to the farmer and we have we know the varieties out here and then we say, okay, what do you want to do? We have, here's some things to look at. And so then the farmer gets to pick what they want as much as we can. And then we contract with the farmer for seed. So we, we sell them the seed and then we buy the production. Okay. And it's all seed blocks. Okay. We want to do seed. [00:20:16] Speaker A: Okay. [00:20:16] Speaker D: The farmers get options and they get a good price and then we get really good quality peanuts. Because our seed quality from what we found from Texas origin, our seed quality tends to be really, really good. [00:20:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:20:28] Speaker A: Really? [00:20:28] Speaker D: Yeah, [00:20:28] Speaker C: yeah. That's one of the nice, nice things that we talk about a lot with Texas is, you know, there's. Texas has a lot of challenges on the heat and the arid conditions of the region, water, water issues, et cetera, et cetera. But ironically, our soils and it being so dry out here is one of the biggest reasons why the seed quality for peanuts especially is exceptional. I think this is probably the best region in North America for, for growing commercial seed of peanuts. Because of that there's so little disease pressure, you could space plant. So your return, when you plant a seed, instead of planting six of them in a, in a foot of row, you can plant one or two and space out all your seeds. So you're getting a lot more efficient return. A more efficient return for less. [00:21:09] Speaker A: Yes. [00:21:10] Speaker C: Less management. So that's something that's been a huge [00:21:12] Speaker B: boon. And you don't have some of the, the diseases that are associated with long term peanut grow. I mean, we have Pythium. [00:21:19] Speaker C: That's right. [00:21:19] Speaker B: But there was a. Let's see, this is how long I've been out of it. Just as I was getting out of the consulting market, there was a big sclerotinia scare in western Gaines County. They were said, well, I think it's sclerotinia. I'm not sure it's sclerotinian. They brought experts in and some of them say, yeah, that's Sclerotinia. And some of them would say, no, that's not sclerotinia. But in Tarrant county that's never been an issue around Brownfield. That was not something that was an issue. And for people don't know, sclerotinia is a really, really, really bad. But sclerotinia is something you don't grow out of. I mean you can't, you can't rotate your way out of sclerotinia. At least, at least at the time that was what I was, was sold. Immersively I never even went close to the fields. My company at that time was actually consulting on one of the fields that did it. And whenever our consultant went there, he would. He would. That would be the last field to be checked. He would leave there and he would go to the car wash and wash his pickup. [00:22:15] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:22:16] Speaker B: And then he would. Then he would. Would come home. And that's how bad sclerotinia is, because you could literally transfer. It transfers. The spores are in the. I mean, it's. The fruiting bodies of it carry. Can be carried around. I'm not telling you guys this, obviously. Yeah. And so that was. But that having that, you know, less. Less of a disease load makes life a little bit easier. It [00:22:36] Speaker C: does. [00:22:37] Speaker B: I know that when we first started growing peanuts, that the. The tail end of the season was always the problem. [00:22:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:22:43] Speaker B: You know, was always. It still is. Yeah. Well, [00:22:46] Speaker C: for a lot of reasons, this year especially. Yeah. [00:22:49] Speaker B: Well, I was. It was. You know, the one thing I did like about consulting on peanuts is we had an October 15 deadline. And pretty much, you know, when you. For those that don't know that. When you. When you. At that time, I don't know if it's still the same. It's been a long time since I've been in the peanut field. You used to do hull scrapes on peanuts. And as you scrape the top layer off the. Underneath it is. That hull will be a color. There'll be. It goes. Starts at white, goes to yellow, orange, and then brown and black. Yeah. And so the more you have [00:23:15] Speaker A: a color chart. [00:23:16] Speaker C: You [00:23:16] Speaker B: have a color chart, the darker it gets. And that color chart was a fun thing too, because it was also developed for the Southeast, and it didn't line up with. No, [00:23:23] Speaker C: we don't. We don't ever get as dark as it is on that color [00:23:26] Speaker B: chart. But you go through that, and that's how we would tell if they were ready. And it was always. When we got to October 15th, you just call every farmer that was still had peanuts in the ground, say, dig them. [00:23:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:38] Speaker B: Because you're two. Pretty much two weeks before our first freeze. And so two weeks before and two weeks after is neither early nor late on a freeze, in my opinion. Yeah. And so that was. I liked it because I had a. Okay. On vacation October 16th. I know I'm not doing [00:23:53] Speaker C: work your way [00:23:53] Speaker B: back. And that was a good thing about it. [00:23:55] Speaker C: Well, that's. That's true. I heard. I heard for the first time, actually, from your dad, and it's a great saying. He Said the Goblins come out after Halloween when it comes to peanuts because it's like no matter what, after the 31st, everything becomes harder. Digging is. Because that's, that's what you don't think about with, with peanuts being an under an underground crop, is it being a two fold harvest process, whereas you can go in and strip cotton. I mean, I know you're prepping cotton with bowl opener and defoliation or defoliant, but it's not the same deal. It's like when you make one pass with a stripper, you're done, [00:24:23] Speaker B: you're done. [00:24:24] Speaker C: Um, whereas with peanuts you go in and a dig and that's, that's the most delicate time because. And then two, if you dig too wet, then you're slinging pods off the plant and you lose those pods forever. If they have mud on them and that's extra weight, that shears it off the plant. So it's, it's complicated. And our soils are tighter and wetter than most of the rest of the Peanut belt in the United States, which they're growing peanuts on beach sand basically. So [00:24:44] Speaker B: yeah, [00:24:45] Speaker C: they can get an inch of rain and dig the next day, whereas if we get an inch of rain, you know, it's a week in some cases, but before you can dig [00:24:50] Speaker A: it in. And so just for people listening, basically you're taking think of kind of like a knife and a conveyor belt. You're just flipping it over, flipping those plants over. You're just kind of slicing under the ground, just underneath them and flipping them over so that they can dry. [00:25:04] Speaker C: Yep, that's right. [00:25:05] Speaker B: And where we grow north of Gaines county at least, Gaines county is typically sandier, but like Terry county and you know, we just do all the way up to Levelland, White Face that area into their growing and we. And as you go north, it's heavier, but we are probably the heaviest soil as far as clay content of anybody that grows peanuts in the United States. At least I [00:25:28] Speaker C: think so. I think so. Yeah. There's some, I mean, you know, of course there's some, some strips in Georgia, whatnot, where it's heavy clays. But I think as far as, I mean basically the entire state of Texas is going to tend to be on heavier soils. [00:25:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:41] Speaker C: Maybe a little bit different. [00:25:42] Speaker B: We had some that were grown in the Sandhill South Olton. [00:25:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:45] Speaker B: And that was kind of nice because they had big water and it was beach sand. [00:25:49] Speaker C: Yeah, [00:25:49] Speaker B: yeah. I mean it didn't. You get a big heavy rain, just drop in and go, go ahead and dig them out. [00:25:53] Speaker C: That's right. [00:25:53] Speaker B: But you know the thing about it? When you dig those peanuts and they're turned upside down, then you have to worry about a rain again. [00:25:58] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right. [00:25:59] Speaker B: Because if it rains post digging, you're all kinds of messed up again. [00:26:03] Speaker C: Well, and then a freeze, too. So if you're digging too close to a freeze, that's where watching the freeze is a big one. And that's a trade off with seed production as well, because with seed peanuts, you want to leave them in the ground as long as humanly possible because you get all those oils, all those fatty acids to set up right to where you're reducing dormancy for turning around and planting the next year. And so the. The longer you can keep them in the ground, the better to set all of that. That's that stratification up in the seed, but then you're closer to a freeze. And so peanuts can get frozen if they're dry [00:26:33] Speaker B: in the hole. [00:26:34] Speaker C: In the hole. That's right. But if you dig them and it. And they're still pretty Wet, you know, 20, 25% moisture, and they get a freeze, then that's terrible. So there's a really narrow little window where if you dig and get a freeze within 48 hours is a huge problem for sea quality. [00:26:48] Speaker A: Yeah, [00:26:49] Speaker B: there's. Yeah, that. That just opens a whole nother can of worms when you turn them upside down. As a. As a consultant, I was always happy to see them turn up. Every time I drive by feeling like, oh, thank God he got to that field. [00:26:59] Speaker C: That's right. [00:27:00] Speaker B: You know, and you just check it off the list and go on to the next one. But, you know, then, you know, you know, because once it turned it up, my job was done. Yeah, but I have seen. I mean, I. I have seen years that it was wet enough and they were dug muddy, and they actually developed pythium after they'd been turned up. And because they had so much mud on them and so much moisture hanging around and everything that the disease was present, it just went haywire at that point. And that's never something you. Because there's not anything you do about that. Know, you dig them up, oh, these look great, and then come back, get ready to harvest them. You're, like, going, why are these all diseased? [00:27:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:34] Speaker A: So how are. Are y'. All. Are you. How concerned are you about the water issue? [00:27:43] Speaker C: About, like, everybody else. About, like everybody else. And. And to. Well, go ahead, Mark. I feel like I've talked a whole bunch [00:27:49] Speaker D: Concern, I mean, what we're seeing, like this year was at which I'm 38, so I guess I'm becoming old. I can feel it. Like I'm, you know, you go from like, being the youngest person in the room, then like, sometimes you're the oldest person in the room. Now, it's kind of interesting. But this is the worst as far as, like the growing season, the farmers that we're dealing with. It's the worst yields I've seen and as far as anything I've seen since I've been paying attention. And just because of the fact that there. Since there is no rain and then the water quality shows up. [00:28:21] Speaker A: Right. [00:28:21] Speaker D: Because salinity builds up and then the plants start crashing, you got to dig them early. So, I mean, it is an issue and. But everything's an issue. Yeah. In agriculture, you're having to manage your problems. Everybody's like, well, you know, oh, in Texas it's easy because you have irrigation. It's like, well, we have our problems. And you go to Georgia, you know, they get rain, but they have. They have issues there that they have to deal with. So it's definitely. It's definitely an issue. But we, in our experience, the farmers that we're dealing with that are trying to do a good job, then they adjust their acres. Because we've had years where everybody was doing terribly and we had guys that were still making good yields. And I would ask them, like, what do you think you're doing differently? And they said, well, we don't grow more than what we have water for. To water now a year like this is. Is terrible. Nobody. The water itself is not as right building up salt. But I think it's going to be something we have to pay attention to and what we're hoping to do, because it's all a handoff. Like, like, you know, you mentioned, you know, like, you. You got to the point where they dig and then they're done. [00:29:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:23] Speaker D: And then you're handing it off to the next people. And so what we try to do is think about the whole. The whole peanut industry as much as we can. Yeah. Because, like, Dylan is the breeder. It's a unique situation where he's getting to see everything all the way through the sheller and, you know, handing it off. But then we also try to talk to the shellers, we try to talk to the manufacturers to see, like, what does everybody want? In my opinion, we need to be doing the highest value peanut [00:29:49] Speaker A: that [00:29:50] Speaker D: we can here because we have all of these advantages we have the disadvantages, of course, too, but we have a lot of advantages, too. So we need to be finding higher value, like what's the highest value peanut that we can grow and then do that and then protect the farmers. [00:30:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:05] Speaker D: From like organic is. Is. That's the easiest example right now. But like, organic is the highest value, you know, per pound. [00:30:13] Speaker A: Right. [00:30:13] Speaker C: For peanuts. [00:30:14] Speaker D: And then there's organics that come in from outside the country. [00:30:18] Speaker A: Right. That may be organic or may not be organic. [00:30:21] Speaker D: A lot of them that we know are not organic. [00:30:22] Speaker A: We know they're not organic. [00:30:23] Speaker D: We talk to people all over the world. [00:30:25] Speaker A: Yes. And [00:30:25] Speaker D: we don't have the mechanism to. To protect farmers. [00:30:29] Speaker A: But. And I think for people that, you know, question, like the, the certifications, like, I know people get caught here. Yeah. And they shut them down. [00:30:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:41] Speaker D: And they should. [00:30:42] Speaker A: They shut them down. Well, they [00:30:43] Speaker B: shut the whole country of India down for three years and then they brought them back. And I'm not going. It's going to happen again. [00:30:49] Speaker A: Yeah. But I mean, I feel like there's more oversight here. I think if you're going to get something that's organic, it. You can, you can have more confidence that what you're getting is organic. If it's coming from the United States. [00:31:02] Speaker B: The United States or the eu. Yeah. Or Canada. Yeah. Those [00:31:06] Speaker A: three areas. If [00:31:07] Speaker B: it comes outside of the United States, the European Union or Canada, you've got to feel. You've got, I would say, 50, 50 chance, but I think that's too good of a chance of catching something that's not organic. I mean, [00:31:18] Speaker C: at the very least, you need to do greater due diligence outside of those origins. [00:31:21] Speaker B: And that's. [00:31:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:22] Speaker B: You know, and I mean, the wildest thing about it is when I was doing consulting in Mexico, they were putting Furidan, which is a very toxic chemical that we can't eat. I don't even know if we can use it for section 18, section 18 label on any more up here. But it. But I mean, they were putting it in furrow at plant for the. For peanuts, for thrips. And I'm like going, you can do that. Like, [00:31:45] Speaker C: where are those peanuts Going? [00:31:46] Speaker B: Like, what are you selling those peanuts to make sure I don't get any of [00:31:49] Speaker C: those. That's right. [00:31:50] Speaker B: You know, and that was, that was just part of the course. I mean, just dumping it in and going. And I'm like, one. My God. You know, I. I was like, they started doing that and I'm like, which fields are doing this? So I make sure I don't dig for the seeds with my finger. [00:32:05] Speaker C: Yeah. You [00:32:05] Speaker B: know, I started using the knife, starting digging through that thing because it was. To me. [00:32:08] Speaker C: I'll put some gloves on. [00:32:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was tough, but I mean, there's lots of things like that on the organic side that are. That makes it challenging. But. But when you talk about a. You know, obviously organics are very. And it's. You're selling your water as dearly as possible. Yeah, [00:32:23] Speaker D: yeah. [00:32:25] Speaker B: So what peanut traits are there that can be improved, that can improve the. The value of that peanut? [00:32:35] Speaker C: Yeah, a lot of the. Mainly our. Our experience has been better yield and better grade and better adaptation for. For the environment that you're in. That's one of the. The beauties of. Of this area is that there's infrastructure again. Texas has always been kind of. Kind of the outsider in the peanut industry. Just being new. I mean, it's not even 30 years old really, the industry, or maybe just 30 years old. And so they had to compete and find comparative advantages to compete with the Southeast and the Virginia Carolina regions, which had been dominant for, I mean, the entire history of the United States, literally. And then before in Virginia especially. But my point being is, is leveraging all four market types is a huge value. And so that's something that we do is. Is work in all four market types instead of just being a runner of Virginia breeding program. We work in everything. And the organic side as well, that's something that. That not a lot of attention has been. Has been put into until recently. Just the last maybe eight or nine years. We found out the hard way. We had a variety that we developed on conventional ground that we tried on with an organic grower for the first time. And the pythium just ate it alive. It came up like maybe two plants per row foot or whatnot. So we learned that, okay, maybe we need to screen some of these on actual certified organic ground before we release them, especially with the intent of being for organic production. And so in 20. That was in 2018 and 2019, we started doing dedicated organic trials on certified organic ground in West Texas to focus on that. And it's real interesting because like we talk about, it's like you're selecting for a mule instead of a racehorse on our conventional. Our conventional programs on conventional, conventional ground with all the herbicides and normal treatments, you know, we, we do a little bit less because we're trying to punish them a little bit, but it's still not organic. So the main thing is planting it with A seed treatment. Now on the organic side, you're putting mules out there and seeing what's going to stay the course over the course of time. And so as far as specific traits go on that it's, it's more what works. And then especially too, we're planting organic seed in those trials. So instead of planting conventionally grown seed, which is how commercial growers are able to do that. [00:34:34] Speaker B: Right. [00:34:35] Speaker C: And you plant good quality conventional seed with no seed treatment for organic. That's approved per nlp. What we're actually doing, our breeding programs, because that's the only seed that we have is what was grown organically last year, is that there's a really interesting additive effect. I think that's going to be interesting to see how that bears out over time is that you're planting organic seed, which tends to be lower vigor, lower quality seed or just really, really variable quality, but then without a seed treatment as well. And then we're seeing some of our organic material now actually last year, for the very first time, significantly out yield our conventionally developed material. [00:35:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:10] Speaker C: That basically the mules are starting to out, out compete the racehorses on our ground, which [00:35:15] Speaker B: is interesting. Selecting a stronger, a stronger animal. You know, you've got that, that seed that survives that the ones that survive it. It's survival of the fittest. [00:35:23] Speaker C: Yeah, [00:35:24] Speaker D: like that, [00:35:24] Speaker B: man. Yeah, [00:35:25] Speaker C: yeah, [00:35:26] Speaker D: yeah, [00:35:28] Speaker C: yeah. We murdered all their parents in front of them. The one [00:35:30] Speaker D: that came out of the cave, right? It was like something like that. Yeah, that's Brie. That's official breeder [00:35:36] Speaker C: Batman approach. [00:35:37] Speaker D: Batman approach. [00:35:38] Speaker C: Yeah. It's in a textbook somewhere. [00:35:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean that's. But you know, you do, you know, there's a lot to be said for a breeding program that, that selects hardiness and that's what we have to have up here. And you're talking about the different types. You know, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that this is the only peanut growing region in the country that grows all four types of peanuts. [00:36:01] Speaker C: I think so. Especially at scale. [00:36:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean there may be, you know, you know, somebody that's got 10 acres of something. Yeah, yeah. Over there. But, but with all four of them grown at scale and it's, you know, when I say this, this region, I mean, you know, basically west of level up from Clovis Portalis down to Hobbs and then back to that kind of area back in here. So it's kind of, it's not all Llano Estacado, but it's close to it. [00:36:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:36:29] Speaker B: And, you know, that was one of the things that, when we. When peanuts came up here, that had gave a lot of flexibility. [00:36:34] Speaker C: Yeah, that's [00:36:35] Speaker B: right. You could grow. You could be at Littlefield and have a kind of sandier soil. I've been up there. And you could plant. Plant Spanish. That's [00:36:43] Speaker A: what we did. We moved. The time we planted, they were like, you can't grow peanuts north of 70. [00:36:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:50] Speaker A: And we moved up there and started growing planet. Yeah, [00:36:54] Speaker D: this won't work here. And it's like, all [00:36:56] Speaker C: right, let's try. Let's just try it. Let's see what happens. Yeah, go ahead. [00:37:00] Speaker D: Well, and another thing, too, is so, like, we're mostly high oleic in this area, but we've developed normal oleic variety that works really well in the Southeast. And so now there are farmers who are growing normal oleic. [00:37:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:15] Speaker D: Runner seed blocks for us. [00:37:17] Speaker C: For the Southeast. [00:37:18] Speaker D: For. For the Southeast. And so [00:37:20] Speaker C: here in Texas [00:37:21] Speaker D: at some level. And I mean, we're nothing. I mean, we're. We're small, but we're vertically integrated all the way through to the sheller. And so we went from. In the last seven years, we went from, like, probably 600 tons to 9,000 tons. Oh, my gosh. Goodness. Seven different varieties. But you. We're not smart enough to know what the best thing is. [00:37:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:41] Speaker D: So you. You try to have a lot of options. And again, it's like a broken record. You try to give people options. So you go to the manufacturers and you say, okay, here's all these options. What. Is there anything that you don't like? Because usually it's hard to get everything they like. But, like, is there anything that's terrible? And you knock those out. And so you look at, okay, this is what the manufacturer is like, this is what the shellers like. This is what the farmers like. And you try to connect all the dots and giving farmers seed blocks because our yields, the farmers that do a really good job. Like, we've got guys that are making like 78000 pound an acre yields. Yeah. [00:38:14] Speaker C: We had a grower last year. Wow. That wasn't for us. But he made 8, 800 pounds an acre. Clean weight on an organic field. [00:38:20] Speaker D: Organic. [00:38:21] Speaker C: That's the highest yield I've ever heard of commercials. [00:38:23] Speaker D: I didn't believe it. I called the custom harvester, and he's like, they. They were. Yeah, [00:38:26] Speaker C: it was for real. [00:38:27] Speaker D: But [00:38:27] Speaker B: yeah, when you. Yeah, when you see a number like that on organic, you wonder, how many fields did he dump into that one field? I know to get to that yield number. [00:38:34] Speaker D: But, [00:38:34] Speaker C: but he had a third party harvester. So the harvester validated. They were just [00:38:38] Speaker D: so much that he said the trucks didn't look over over full. They were just super heavy because it was just so mature. Yeah. But we have like our area is really productive. Like whenever you talk to people around the country like we're, we tend to be on the higher side, the guys that, that really want to do a good job. [00:38:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:53] Speaker D: And so we try to incentivize the farmers that want to do a good job to pay them. Like we don't do like, oh well, if you make over 3, 500 pounds, then the rest is loan or like we're paying. Yeah, we want you to do a good job. So if we sell seed that the field made 8,000 pound peanuts that is very, very high quality good seed. [00:39:12] Speaker A: Right. [00:39:13] Speaker B: Because it goes back to the weight of oil versus the weight of water. As that seed matures, it pushes water, it pushes water out. It gets replaced by oil. Oil is heavier than water. And so therefore the weight goes up [00:39:25] Speaker D: and it matured. I mean it finished out. And it's like, you know, trying to play in high school football when you're 23 years old. [00:39:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:33] Speaker D: You know, it's like it's all. At least for me, I was a super late bloomer. Yeah, maybe not everybody. [00:39:37] Speaker B: No, that's, I mean that's a very good analogy of it because you know, if you have that more mature seed, it's going to have a higher germ. You're going to wind up with a stronger, a stronger start to next year. Yeah. Too. [00:39:48] Speaker C: Well, there's a bigger component too. That's something that the organic, our organic trials have not to keep coming back to that, but there's, there's a lot that we've learned from that. The easy and the hard way. But you know, looking at, you know, we can go back and do some statistical analysis of our trials to look at estimate what proportion of stand establishment which is a good indicator of vigor. Right. So how quickly does it go from a planted seed to a healthy seedling out of the ground? Like what's that time? So we'll go in and count every seven days for a month after planting to see aggregately which ones came out quicker. And then looking at the variation between environmental variation versus genetic variation, we found that about 68% of vigor or stand establishment potential, like how quickly it gets up and going, which isn't just all vigor, but a really good estimate is controlled by genetic factors. So that the remainder of that, so everything but 68 is still controlled by environmental factors. So that's still, you know, a third of the equation is husbandry of. Of the parent plants and of the seed and whatnot. And so, so that. That bigger component, not just good germination, but the vigor component. Germination is how quickly does the little plants start getting going, but then vigor is. Then how quickly and robustly does it get moving? That's. That's a huge point of value. That's kind of a black box that. That Texas is able to provide and a lot of these producers that Mark is talking about is able to provide. So that when you try that seed in other areas, that's something that, again, coming back to some of the specific traits you asked about, you know, cold hardiness and early maturity is something that just de facto, without choosing it, you're selecting for that no matter what. In all of our germplasm that we're evaluating here because of our short growing season, our high elevation, our really, really cool nighttime temperatures at planting because, you know, we'll oscillate, you know, on May 15th, evening could go down to 38 degrees, easy. Ask me how I know 38 degrees when you're dropping peanut seed in the ground and they didn't come up very quick. But point being is you have. Have that. That level of stress that's on it as well. And so, but just by default, our. Our seed and our variety, so that genetic component, we just accidentally, because we're doing so much development here, tend to select for more vigorous varieties as well. That's always the comment. We tend to get pretty consistently, both on a variety, you know, small plot, trial basis, but then also commercial basis that our seed always comes up, just rockets out of the ground, which is again, a combination of good, good seed tending, good seed production and care, but then also strong genetics, too. [00:42:08] Speaker B: You talk about. I'm sorry. [00:42:10] Speaker A: No, it's okay. [00:42:10] Speaker B: I was gonna. I was going to say you talk. When you talk about. About breeding, you know, peanuts are a very odd plant. Yeah. When it comes to flowering and how they develop their seed, you know, the flower develops above ground, then it gets pegged down it. Once it pollinates, it puts a peg down this. And then you've got the kernels that grow below ground. So. And they're tiny little flowers. [00:42:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:42:33] Speaker B: I mean, they're, what, quarter about, what, just under a half inch across? Yeah, right. About a half inch across. Yeah. If you figured the whole width of the petal and. And you Get a really pretty flower. And [00:42:46] Speaker C: especially compared to a cotton flower, it's like apples and oranges, you know. [00:42:49] Speaker B: Yeah. So how long does it take you if you're like, if you're trying for something specific in your cross pollinating too? Do you. Do y' all do cross pollinating? [00:42:59] Speaker C: We do the old fashioned way. The [00:43:01] Speaker B: old fashioned way, [00:43:02] Speaker C: yeah. Yeah. With much travail as well. That's. That's something that's interesting about peanut flowers too, compared to cotton. I trained in a cotton program here in Lubbock at the agri Life station with the town. And so making crosses with cotton was like laughable. You know, this big cartoonish, wonderful flower to work with. Easy to cross, whereas peanuts are. Are tiny. They're cleistogamous, which is a fancy term meaning they. They don't tend to outcross naturally like cotton does here. You can get 30 to 50% out crossing by the wind or bees or other pollinators, whereas peanuts aren't that way. And so [00:43:36] Speaker B: it's not. They're not a true close. They're not truly closed pollination though, are they? No, not, not 100. It's just the way the petals grow. That's right. Yeah, [00:43:43] Speaker C: that's right. You have one level of petals. Yeah. That are sealed. So that keel. Those are technically petals, but they are sealed around that, which of course, you know, like other papillionaceous, like flowers being a butterfly shaped flower like beans and peas. Yeah. A beacon. Land on it just right and then that'll poke the. There's a certain petal that if a pollinator lands on it, it'll poke the reproductive infrastructure out just right for a pollinator to access it. And then it'll [00:44:08] Speaker A: slide [00:44:08] Speaker C: back into the keel once it's done. It's amazing, but it makes it hard to cross. But it makes it to where outcrossing is very, very, very low compared to cotton, which [00:44:17] Speaker B: is actually a good. Which is actually a good thing. [00:44:19] Speaker C: It is for us. It's a great. [00:44:21] Speaker B: That's [00:44:22] Speaker C: the better problem because then. Yeah. Maintaining the purity and integrity of your varieties is a lot simpler process than with more outcrossing varieties. And [00:44:29] Speaker B: you're not just, you know, throwing a bunch of different seed out there and then going out and saying, that looks about right. We'll take that. That's right. [00:44:34] Speaker C: That's right. [00:44:35] Speaker B: You know, and that's. I mean, I guess that's where it pretty much started is you go through like, okay, you got, you go out there and I've got all, you know, got 15 different types of Virginia's and they grow 15 different. That's [00:44:46] Speaker C: right. [00:44:46] Speaker B: Canopy architectures. And I like all like this one and this one. I don't like the other 14. And so you throw them out and select from there. But [00:44:53] Speaker C: yeah. [00:44:53] Speaker B: You know, grapes, when I deal with it most, they are a true clothes pollinator. Yeah. And so there's. They don't actually. The seeds are not actually true to top. [00:45:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:02] Speaker B: And so it's a. It's a whole weird, weird deal when you deal with that stuff. [00:45:06] Speaker C: Well, and then you have the combination of root stocks and then the. The top. Yeah, that's right. Which is wild because there's like whole breeding programs just for root stocks. Oh, yeah. Not. Not the, not the top part. [00:45:19] Speaker B: Yeah. The stuff you pay for. Yeah. But [00:45:21] Speaker D: yeah, that goes back to seed. To the seed quality too, that you have to maintain. You have to go back to like what we do, like pre. Pre. Pre breeder. [00:45:29] Speaker C: Yeah. We [00:45:30] Speaker D: maintain the purity of it from just like a hundred pods all the way through. Oh, man. Keep that pipeline going. Because over time. [00:45:37] Speaker A: Wow. [00:45:38] Speaker D: Like, we control the. The trucks and everything. You know, like going to the field and back. We're coordinating them, we're getting in the trailers, we're making sure they're clean because you get a few kernels here and there, they start getting mixed in. And over time, I don't know if you've seen. I'm sure you've seen. If you've got a consultant y. You see a field and you start seeing a bunch of off types and then it deteriorates pretty quickly. Yeah. If you don't maintain it. [00:45:59] Speaker A: I did some stuff in hemp and you should see hemp. [00:46:01] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:46:02] Speaker A: It's like there are 46 varieties in this field. [00:46:05] Speaker C: That's right. Especially with that. I. Thankfully, Peanut doesn't produce as many seed as like, like a hemp or quinoa or Palmer amaranth. [00:46:12] Speaker B: Oh, God. [00:46:13] Speaker C: But even still, I mean, that's logarithmic. Logarithmic growth. The rule of thumb for us is it's about a tenfold increase in C. From every seed that you plant. You get about 10 times that amount of seed in the next generation. And so again, if you have a handful of seed that [00:46:26] Speaker B: were [00:46:27] Speaker C: in the corner of a truck that didn't get swept out, then that's not that big a deal for two or three years. But in five years, it's a different discussion. [00:46:33] Speaker D: Multiply that, the planter and then, you know, the, the combine, the trucks, the sheller, everything you have to really pay attention. [00:46:42] Speaker C: Yeah, [00:46:43] Speaker B: yeah. You have to clean it like it's, it's organic, basically make sure that, you know, kernel. Yeah, yeah. [00:46:48] Speaker D: That's sort of the, the motto that [00:46:50] Speaker A: we [00:46:50] Speaker D: have. [00:46:50] Speaker C: Yeah, [00:46:51] Speaker B: yeah. [00:46:51] Speaker D: Like not one, because [00:46:52] Speaker B: I mean, [00:46:53] Speaker C: get it tattooed [00:46:54] Speaker B: with just one screw up on that. Yeah. And it slips through and all of a sudden you've got not even years worth of work. Yeah. Decades worth of work. Yeah. That gets to start over again. [00:47:04] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right. So what Mark's saying is like. Yeah, typically our breeder pipeline is from cross to a commercial variety like a farm. A grower can get commercial bags of seed and plant that new variety for the very first time. Is 15 year process, give or take, maybe a little bit longer, depending on seed increase. But then, but then we run this almost like a parallel breeding program. So we're doing that all the time. So you have a pipeline that's always full. You know, you're making crosses every year, you're getting new material every year. So, you know, there may be 10, 10 to 12 to 15 years between this and this. But if you're always putting in just like a assembly line in a factory, you're always getting something out at the end of the line. But we do the same thing with variety maintenance as well, is exactly what he's saying. That's a years long program just to make sure that the variety stays the variety. And you feel confident in that because we're the ones that maintain it. It's not like you send it off to someone and they maintain that variety for you. We're the ones who do it since we're the breeders. And so depending on how, how intense or not intense we want to be about, it affects, you know, [00:48:03] Speaker A: I think it's interesting that you, you know that you, you guys have been able to kind of create a supply chain loop because you've connected the end to the beginning and which I think is just really important. And I see a lot of times, especially like in cotton, it's very siloed, you know, and so it's. I think that's really interesting. I know that there's a company that's interested in investment in, in that area for sustainability, you know, trying to make sure that they are able to sustain production, you know, there. And so there's been an investment in Playa Lake restoration, you know, but I'd like for y' all to talk about maybe, you know, some other ideas that you might have that to me, ply lakes are things that need to be Done. And in a hundred years, we will be. People will be so thankful that it happened. If we can think, make some things happen now, you know, and so it's kind of got to be yes. And, you know, do you guys have. Have y' all thought about that? Like some ideas, like what your farmers are looking at saying we're not gonna. We're going to just maximize that water that we have. Yeah. By small areas. A lot of people have done that. But what I'm thinking about is the companies that want to do some things that could be helpful. What are some of those things that they could invest in that would be helpful on the water side in particular? You know, we have a company that's been here a couple of times and they have a portable desalination. It's not desalination, it's a sulfur burner. But you can. It's mobile. You take it and put it. Your pivot. [00:50:01] Speaker C: Interesting. [00:50:02] Speaker A: And so it's been in use in California for decades, and it's just now making its way here. [00:50:07] Speaker B: Takes margin. It basically takes. You take marginal watering and it makes, it makes [00:50:11] Speaker A: it usable. [00:50:11] Speaker B: It's, it's. It cleans it up quite a bit. [00:50:14] Speaker A: Yes. You know, and so to me, I'm like. I mean, we. I work with a company called ndrip, and one of the things they do is work with larger companies, larger organizations that need like water credits or, you know, and so they'll. Those big companies will buy the, the drip or the. They also have really amazing soil moisture probes that have the plants grow down into those moisture probes and they collect data. And so the farmers are able to get them for free because of the donations from these big companies. You know, so those are a couple of things. [00:50:48] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:50:49] Speaker A: That. [00:50:50] Speaker C: I've got a couple ideas, but I feel like I've been talking too much. No, [00:50:54] Speaker A: go for it. [00:50:55] Speaker C: Okay. Well. Hey. Hey. I think, I think a big one. I think. I think that's a huge, huge component. And that's interesting too, to see more. That's something I hadn't really thought about was, which. I mean, this is. This is something that even when I was in graduate school 10 years ago, we talked about doing specific salt tolerant. A lot more salt tolerance work because this, because some. Some produce production areas are poking down into the Santa Rosa aquifer, which is much more saline than. Than the Ogallala, but it's water and so. Great. So then what. You know, so you think of like the D. Salent, like, like in Israel. It's like, what are they doing in Israel? It's like, I mean, they've dealt with this stuff, I mean, decades before we've had to start thinking about it. And so there's some really tremendous technologies for treating water and desalinating water cost effectively, which would be the deal. And of course, and it seems like infrastructure is the deal. It's like, because like a lot of, I think a lot of the producers in this area, I think are really good at maintaining, maintaining systems. But especially as time goes on, as farms get more consolidated, younger generations have a harder time getting into farming. And then again. Well, just farms get more consolidated because it's hard. Yeah, it's hard. Not impossible, but very difficult to get into farming if you're not from a generational farming line or family. But that initial infrastructure is the hardest part and that, the capital for that, getting that started. Which is one of the big reasons why peanuts are hard because you have to have specialty equipment. And cotton too. You can't use a grain combine to strip cotton or pick peanuts. So it seems like water treatment and then helping with infrastructure for water treatment would be a really valuable component. The second comment would be investment in alternative crops for rotation. Because like I know this deal. I remember [00:52:41] Speaker A: when [00:52:41] Speaker C: they were dealing with the guar deal years ago, which I, you know, I know that's, there's been a lot of different things with that, but I remember even in grad school, Dick Ald, who was a breeder at Texas Tech, was working with Safflower and Castor, which are just God awful plants. You know, when you think about it coming, coming from a conventional agronom, from a cotton or peanut or high plains grain background, that just sounds terrible. But those things required so little water. Yeah. And then same thing. Looking at some of the, the weed species around here, we grew some, some alternative crops. Just messing around with them just to see what some of the potential was. Years ago we looked at some quinoa, we looked at some chia as well. Some stuff that would be, you know, specialty crops. Specialty crops, [00:53:26] Speaker B: yeah. [00:53:26] Speaker C: But grew literally like weeds. Like the quinoa especially, grew like a careless weed. It, I mean, so functionally, as far as water requirements was almost, it almost didn't need any supplemental irrigation in west Texas, which is absolutely insane. And so I think the investment in. But of course that's, I mean that's a whole cart before the horse discussion because like you don't just create a. All the, those intermediates. You can, you can evaluate crops that work, but then it's like, well, yeah. Who buys it? If [00:53:54] Speaker A: you're looking at, like, a large, you know, especially in the peanut world, you're looking at large corporations that are in food. [00:54:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:04] Speaker A: And so it seems like, you know, if you had, you know, that type of partnership to say, hey, help us maybe create new food products that these rotational crops can go into, you know, and, you know, some of the stuff, like, you know, Chia. Like, I don't know what you do. She is. Besides make a pet and, like, put it in your. It's [00:54:26] Speaker C: in [00:54:26] Speaker A: a lot of stuff. And make gym [00:54:27] Speaker C: kombucha. Like, kombucha [00:54:28] Speaker A: has a lot [00:54:29] Speaker C: of Chia. It's. I don't like it, but it's there. [00:54:32] Speaker A: It's [00:54:32] Speaker C: like drinking caviar. [00:54:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's exactly gross. Right. I don't have [00:54:37] Speaker C: caviar one, so, I mean, I'm not trying to, [00:54:39] Speaker A: like, flex over here, [00:54:40] Speaker C: but. [00:54:41] Speaker A: But yeah, that's exactly right. [00:54:44] Speaker B: The caviar is gross because it just looks great. Gross enough that I'm not. [00:54:46] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. I try to just. [00:54:47] Speaker B: Kudos to all you people that do this. All the sturgeon harvesters and stuff are grateful for you. You know, keep it up. Eat an extra. Eat my ounce, too. [00:54:56] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah. I'll give my lot to y'. All. [00:54:59] Speaker B: But when you talk about, you know, you talk about those different rotational crops, you know, used to. You'd always rotate with a grain crop. [00:55:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:55:06] Speaker B: Because the. The grain crops don't support the diseases that peanuts have. And you. There's always, you know. But the problem with a grain crop on the high plains is, A, they either don't yield much of anything, or, B, they're not worth anything if they do. [00:55:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:55:22] Speaker B: And so you basically just wipe it out. But, you know, that's one of the things about, you know, there's not really an upside to running out of water and having to do it, but if you do. If you are, then you can, you know, go in at least that gives you. If you're having to split it into quarters or something like that, and only water a quarter, then at least you're. You can rotate around that, and it's. At least it's four years before you get back to it. Because for people that don't know, as you build, as you. The longer you grow peanuts, the more problems you have with diseases that just build up and builds up in the soil. So you don't. It is a very bad idea to follow peanuts with peanuts. [00:55:56] Speaker C: Terrible. [00:55:57] Speaker B: You can get away with it on basically virgin land that's never had peanuts on it. But once you start that process, the more times that you grow peanuts on. On the exact same ground, the more problems you can have with that. And particularly with Rhizoctonia and Pythium, those are the two big ones that we have. And so you plant that grass crop in there because the Rhizoctonia pythium don't. Don't live off of a grass crop, which when I say grass crop is corn, milo, wheat, rye, triticale, you know, anything like that. But the problem is if you get, you can have some watts, some weeds that. Those that can host those, those pathogens. Yes. They don't, unfortunately, they don't negatively. Tend to negatively impact those hosts. Unfortunately. Or we'd have cleaned up Palmer Pigweed a long time. [00:56:49] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right. [00:56:51] Speaker B: But so you rotate through that thing. But as you're talking about, you know, like quinoa, I mean, that was a big health food deal. It's still, I'm assuming, relatively popular in the health food world. As you can tell by my rotund shape. I am not in that. That fit that scope very often. But it comes back to infrastructure. Same thing that we had. [00:57:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:11] Speaker B: And you're talking about water. There's a company that we had a gentleman on a couple weeks ago from Texas Pacific Water Company and they're doing freeze distillation of produced water in mid. And cleaning it up to like. And then the freeze distillation and then ro. It and it's basically. I mean, it's, it would be potable water. Yeah, I mean, it, it can't be potable water because of the way that. Because the. Yeah. The technology has outpaced the regulation. Yeah. At this point. [00:57:38] Speaker C: Yes. [00:57:39] Speaker B: But they've got a couple of deals. They're looking at putting it into the Pecos river and running water in the Pecos River. But he was like, man, it's. He's like, with, with pipeline technology now, he said, you know, we can run a 72 inch pipeline. [00:57:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:52] Speaker B: To Lubbock. Yeah. [00:57:54] Speaker A: They're very farmer friendly. That's a really great company. [00:57:56] Speaker B: Yeah, [00:57:56] Speaker D: well, yeah. And from, from my perspective, because all the options that you just talked about, it's innovation. [00:58:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:03] Speaker D: Innovation is what all of it unlocks all these things with. And we've gotten to this point with innovation because like with oil, with water, I mean, we were supposed to run out of oil. Then you have fracking and there's all this new, new technology. And then like the Water is supposed to be going away all this time. It's like it. Things take longer to fall apart than you think. Until they suddenly fall apart. [00:58:23] Speaker A: I will say on the water side, 50 years ago. 50 years ago in the 90s, they started saying, we have 50 years left. Best estimate is 20 now. And so, I mean, we're pretty much on track. [00:58:35] Speaker D: Yeah. But see, then, like, if you have salty water that you can treat. Yes. [00:58:40] Speaker A: To [00:58:40] Speaker D: get [00:58:40] Speaker A: right. He's [00:58:41] Speaker D: gonna. It's gonna be innovation that. That gets us out of problems. But it has to be. The first thing is, like, honesty. [00:58:50] Speaker A: Yes. [00:58:51] Speaker D: You know, righteousness. That's not like a cool word, but, like. Like, if. If people will do what they're supposed to. Yeah. It's like that fixes a bunch of the. Of the issues to begin with. And so a lot of the problems that we have are because people aren't doing what they're supposed to. They're not. They're not doing what they say, you know, on the farm. And then the guys that are trying to do a good job, they're being impacted domestically. And then from outside of the country where things have certifications, even USDA certifications, and they're not actually the thing that they say they are. That's a huge piece. And then the second part is innovation. I was saying options. And really I should say innovation. Yeah. From us, because all we. All we can do is peanuts that, you know, we're very limited on what [00:59:34] Speaker A: we're working [00:59:34] Speaker D: on, but innovation is how do we get the highest value peanut that we can get. And so that's. We're trying to think of peanuts as an ingredient. [00:59:45] Speaker A: Yes. [00:59:46] Speaker D: And not just as a commodity. And so how do we get something [00:59:49] Speaker A: not [00:59:49] Speaker C: a commodity? [00:59:50] Speaker D: And. And everybody's thinking of, like, peanuts as. It's just. It's just one thing. And there's only so many that we can eat. There's only so many that. Yeah. [00:59:57] Speaker A: No, no, no. Look at soy. [01:00:00] Speaker D: What if we could. What if we could do something like. What if we could make peanuts more desirable through nutrition, through flavor, through different characteristics to where you grow the pie? And you have a. You have a cheap protein source that's heart healthy. All these different things. And so what are some things that we can do? Like, Dylan, what are you doing? Dylan. Right. It's going to take him a while, but we're working on it. Like, what are some things that we can do to make the peanut a better ingredient that can be used in more things they can get? Also giving the farmers more choice. So the farmers get more what they want, the shellers get more what they want, the manufacturers get more. So you give everybody as much as you can, you give them what they want and hopefully that will lead to, you know, more money to the farmer and more longevity for this area. Yeah. Because if the peanuts are worth more, then you can invest in more equipment to maybe help your water quality. [01:00:53] Speaker A: Exactly. Right. Yeah. [01:00:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Because I mean, it's, you know, there's, you know, there's. The produced water is going to be very interesting where that goes next 10, 15 years. [01:01:02] Speaker A: And even if, you know, if you, if you, if you pay the farmer more for. And, and this is where I think it gets tricky is that, you know, the tendency is like, because you want to always maximize profits, but sometimes it's at the cost of other things that make it long term, not sustainable, you know. And so if you think about, okay, I could, I can grow, I'm going to get paid X. I'm just, I was thinking about like, if you get paid more for your peanuts, instead of thinking, how far can I push my water and grow now I'm going to grow twice as much. [01:01:47] Speaker C: Race to the bottom. [01:01:49] Speaker A: Right. It's got to be a change of thinking of like, how do I continue to do this so that I'm still making money five years from now, ten years from now? Like that kind of thinking. And some of that comes with collaborative, you know, I know like other states are having to look at. Because they're not. Other states over the Ogallala are not right of capture states, you know, and so. Or they're shifting away from right of capture, you know, and, and so they're having these collaborative conversations with the state and the state saying, like for instance in Kansas, you know, hey, this feedlot is going to move because they're going to have to invest money in all new milling. Well, they're going to leave because their wells going down. So all these farmers that are in this district have decide, are we going to let that meal go? [01:02:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:02:38] Speaker A: Or are we going to do something different? And so everyone collaborately says we're going to have to reduce our pumping by 25, which actually made water wells go up 35%. [01:02:47] Speaker C: Interesting. [01:02:49] Speaker A: And but then the state came in and said, but we've got to make sure you stay economically viable. How can we do that? You know? And so I think there's got to be this holistic look [01:03:00] Speaker D: and honesty [01:03:01] Speaker A: and honesty. So in April, the, the eight states that said over the Ogallala meet about every three years and they're going to be meeting in April in Canyon this year. It's in Texas. [01:03:15] Speaker C: Okay. [01:03:16] Speaker A: So you guys should put it on your calendar because it will be worth going to. And it's a very interesting meeting because they set everyone at tables of like 8, 8 or 10. And then you dialogue and your problem solving, you know, and so. And then there's somebody that's taking notes on all of that, and all. All that kind of comes together at the end of the meeting. They're like, here are the ideas that formed. And so then after the meeting's over, people are taking those ideas and actually putting them, you know, on the ground in working groups and that kind of thing. It's a really good Ogallala Aquifer summit. So it's in April, but we'll keep talking about it. [01:03:56] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:03:56] Speaker A: Because it's a really great thing, I think would be really helpful. [01:03:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:00] Speaker D: Well, I'll call it the Good Guy group. Which. Good guys and gals. Yeah. [01:04:04] Speaker C: Quit using gendered language. [01:04:05] Speaker D: The Good Person guy group. But people that, again, like, the. The honesty piece of it. The. The people that I see that are doing the best job are actually the most sustainable. [01:04:15] Speaker A: Yes. [01:04:16] Speaker D: Like, they're the one. They're not doing more peanuts than they have water for. They're rotating like peanuts are nice. Because you can't do peanuts on peanuts. On peanuts. I mean, it's like. So they do. [01:04:24] Speaker A: Yes, [01:04:25] Speaker D: they do enough. They don't try to get all they can get one year. They do enough and they rotate around. [01:04:29] Speaker A: Yes. [01:04:30] Speaker D: And so we just have to make sure that the conditions, that there are rules in place and everybody has to play by the rules. The rules are fair. [01:04:36] Speaker A: Yes. [01:04:37] Speaker D: Right. And, yes, a lot of ifs, but. Right. If we set things up correctly and then people [01:04:41] Speaker A: do what [01:04:42] Speaker D: they're supposed to, it should be that farmers can do well. [01:04:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:44] Speaker A: Well. And, you know, you also have to set. You also have to set. The people are going to break the rules, and you got to make it where it's not fun. [01:04:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:55] Speaker A: You know, because I know, I have heard of, you know, people that are, you know, just going in and paying fines, like, you know, to districts they're over. They're putting their wells too close together, drilling wells too close together, whatever, and just going in and paying fines. You know what I mean? And so you've got to have some kind of. There's got to be a will, I think a collective will to say, okay, now's the time to figure out how to look at all the. All the things that are going to be impacted, you know, and not just one specific thing. [01:05:26] Speaker C: Yeah, [01:05:27] Speaker B: well, the thing, another thing to keep in mind is a lot of times it's not, it's not necessarily even necessarily the farmer that's pushing. The farmer's being pushed to push the limit. [01:05:36] Speaker A: Well, that's exactly right. [01:05:38] Speaker B: You look at, you know, because I mean, [01:05:41] Speaker A: it's, you [01:05:42] Speaker B: look at the bank and the bank, you know, you got, I mean, it's, it's financing. Yeah, [01:05:47] Speaker A: right. [01:05:48] Speaker B: Like if it doesn't cash flow. [01:05:49] Speaker A: Right. That's it. I'm glad you mentioned that because that is exactly right. Like, not to like, you know, point, point fingers and say, I mean, farmers are just people. And you know, everybody's like, farmers are all environmentalists. And I'm like, what the world are you talking about? You know what I mean? I know some people that don't care. Yeah. You know. [01:06:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:06:08] Speaker A: But I know a lot more people that do care, you know, and, but yeah, you're right. I mean, it's outside forces and not just, [01:06:15] Speaker B: I mean, it's [01:06:16] Speaker A: not just people [01:06:17] Speaker D: are trying to survive. [01:06:18] Speaker A: People have to make money. They also have to do what, a lot of times what the bank tells them to do. And when you have commodity, the thing that they're growing is of so little value. [01:06:29] Speaker B: I think that to me is the frustrating thing is you watch the price of everything go up except for the base price of commodity. [01:06:36] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right. [01:06:37] Speaker B: That's what's mind numbing. Like, like. And I will pick on Eminem Mars, you know, and I have no problem doing that. I'm not in the industry anymore. I can. But you look at the price of a snicker today and the price of a peanut today and they, those two that if you look at a price from 20 years ago and today compare both of them, those lines do not run in parallel. They don't. And so it's, it's 100%. It's a profit margin by, by company. And you know, and they're, you know, they're, I mean, I know that they're trying to, you know, they're kind of like the reason there's so many Carnegie Libraries around here is because he tried to buy his way into heaven after all the crappy things he did. And while he was alive, he left this big deal so that money would go out everywhere, you know, and. [01:07:21] Speaker A: Well, my very favorite preacher was Doc Timothy Keller. [01:07:26] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, mine too. [01:07:28] Speaker A: So, so great. And I, I remember he was the first person, I think, to challenge just my. What could Be, possibly be wrong with our economy, our system of economics to just say, what if, what if you just didn't make that much money? [01:07:45] Speaker C: What [01:07:45] Speaker A: if you just made a little less? Yeah. What would that look like? Enough. Yeah, [01:07:49] Speaker C: yeah. [01:07:50] Speaker A: Yes. And because there is no enough. I mean, greed is I think considered a virtue in our country. [01:07:56] Speaker C: Well, that's, and [01:07:57] Speaker B: let's not, let's not blame it in the country. Okay. If you think greed is bad here, greed is, is worse as well. [01:08:06] Speaker A: But I, but we aren't responsible. I mean we are, we have more responsibility of who we are than. I think it's better to like point fingers at ourselves than we run [01:08:17] Speaker B: into [01:08:18] Speaker A: is they are. The problem [01:08:19] Speaker B: is if you have a group of people and you have one guy says I'm going to take less so I can do good and you have another person out of that group and you have another person over here that said I'm getting everything I can, you know, the rest of you be, you know, you know, can go hang, I don't care. [01:08:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:39] Speaker B: You know, and that's what you've got. When you look at agriculture now, I mean you look at, look at the Brazilian rainforest. [01:08:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:47] Speaker B: Okay, look at, you know, that, that, that directly impacts soybeans and corn and cotton to a great extent [01:08:53] Speaker A: in the environment. [01:08:54] Speaker B: But I mean they go in through there and like we can do whatever we want to up here and we can, you know, take it on the chin and act like, you know, and say, okay, we're not going to make as much. Well, they're going to take advantage of that and rip out, you know, a couple million more acres of rainforest. And so until, I mean, you've got to be a little bit cautious on the hey, I'm going to take less so that I can do it longer. As long as you're, as long as you're staying okay, and you're staying and that less that you take is good enough for you, that's fine. But it's not, it's, you know, it's, it, your less is going to be made up by somebody else doing something just God awful. [01:09:36] Speaker D: But there has to be like, there has to be rule of law. And that's why I started with honesty because it's like, that's almost like a joke now. But it's, if there's rule of law of what's coming in, what people are buying and then the labels, they know where things came from and there's fair, fairness at some level it has to start there because then if the farmers are Having to compete against prices that are subsidized in a way that they can't compete with. [01:10:02] Speaker A: Yes. [01:10:03] Speaker B: Or activities. I mean, if an organic peanut producer in Gaines county is having to produce. Having to compete against a quote unquote organic producer in, say, Mexico. [01:10:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:10:14] Speaker B: I mean, that's not a fair game. [01:10:16] Speaker C: No. [01:10:16] Speaker B: Because that guy's getting to sell conventionally grown peanuts that are easier to produce and more consistently high yielding than. And that's just two that come off top of my head. [01:10:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:10:28] Speaker B: And he's getting to sell them at the organic price because nobody actually really cares to check. [01:10:34] Speaker A: Well, you know, I think that's one of the reasons why, you know, ag always says we need to be talking about ourselves. And what happens so often is people, people like go to, to maybe promote ag or, you know, support ag is they get off on things that isolate the people you're wanting to engage with. You know what I mean? And so I think that, you know, a big part of it is how do we, how do we become a partner with consumers? Because. Yeah, because they rally. I mean, really, they do care. You know, and there is a, there's, you know, a class of people out there that can afford care and then people that, that absolutely have no time to care, you know, but I think the more that you can connect people with what they're eating. [01:11:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:11:24] Speaker A: You know, and one of the things I've wondered about is, you know, you're talking about like quinoa and all these, you know, specialty crops too. It's like, what if you looked at taking those small acres and turning them into other edible things? You know what I mean? Things that do have. On a smaller acreage, they have more, you know, but you've, you take, I mean, it's all. There's just a lot of risk on everything. But I do think it is going to take a collective agreement, a collective effort to really make things sustainable. [01:12:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:12:07] Speaker A: Here, you know, [01:12:08] Speaker C: and I think, I think too, like, to that point, it's like you look at like the history of things, especially even, even in our society in, in North America, that the people who are able to organize in a high trust way in a high trust environment where everything didn't have to be contractual. It's like you could, you could get things done on a handshake [01:12:25] Speaker A: relationship [01:12:27] Speaker C: and then, but then we're organized. That being the key point, we're able to, to get things done. And I think that's. There's certainly an element of that to where it's like again, that the like hand to mouth approach to, to agriculture in a lot of ways of, of being like, I gotta get, I gotta get what I can to survive. It's like, all right, we'll see what happens next year. This is what I can do this year. We'll see what happens next year. That can tend to really isolate and silo you from other producers. Because instead of seeing one another as being in the same game like, like compatriots and, and co laborers in, in agriculture and in this effort and making a living together, it's your competitors. And I think that's, that's a really difficult aspect especially with the, what we're talking about with the kind of the race at the bottom and the tragedy of the commons issue with the groundwater situation, West Texas is this idea of maximization rather than optimization. Right. Optimizing for the most that you can. Not the, the most that you can here and now, but the most for the longest, [01:13:25] Speaker B: what you can produce in a sustainable manner. [01:13:27] Speaker C: Yeah. And in a way that benefits the most people as well. It's like the most. The more people who can play the game [01:13:32] Speaker A: for [01:13:33] Speaker C: the longest period of time the better. Rather than the zero sum idea. [01:13:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:37] Speaker B: Well, you know, it's. I'll go back to every time I think about any kind of this, any kind of issue like this, any kind of conservation issue. I'll reminded by what Paul Harvey used to say. Y' all know who Paul Harvey [01:13:47] Speaker C: was? Yeah. [01:13:47] Speaker B: That self government doesn't work without self discipline. [01:13:49] Speaker C: Yep. [01:13:50] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:13:50] Speaker B: And one of the things that, that has been forced out of a lot of people in when it comes to the agriculture side is you've been, you've been forced out of self discipline because you have to get X, you have to. You know, a bank does not care. I mean I, I was, I ran into this this last year. Bank didn't care what your, what your balance sheet looks like. It counts. It depends. It's cash flow statements. All they care about does this cash flow. And if you've got, you know, and you wind up with having to have like I've got a lease, you know, 5,000 acres to grow, you know, 500 acres of peanuts that actually are going to make me money, you know. And then you go and you look at that. And that's the unique thing about peanuts. That, that was the most amazing thing is it was the, the first true rotational crop that we could grow on the south plains that was actually profitable. [01:14:43] Speaker C: Yeah, [01:14:43] Speaker A: right. That's right. I [01:14:44] Speaker B: mean when it hit and that was like in like 50 years. Yeah, because grain, sorghum went out the, of being profitable in the, in the 70s, 60s or 70s. You know, wheat is. Andy's father in law used to say that if you planted, if you bought enough wheat seed to plant a circle of wheat in Terry county in, and you kept every seed you harvested off that in three years you're buying more seed. That's how wheat works in our. It's the best way to grow wheat is to grow it, to graze it. And cattle are something else that's going to, that's going to fit into a rotational model. Well, because that's a grass crop. You can plant a grass crop, you graze it. You get the organic matter from the cows out there, you know, and it's, it's another trait that comes in. [01:15:24] Speaker A: So, so we have 10 minutes and there, there are things I want to ask. Okay. So. Okay, so first of all, I want to, I want you to talk to them about the Ola factor guy that came and talked about the dogs. Oh, sniffing for disease. Have you heard about this? [01:15:43] Speaker B: No. There is a gentleman at Texas Tech and I apologize if you're listening. I'm sorry that I don't remember your name. I should, I had. But you know, that's giving me too much credit to think that I wouldn't remember much of anything. But anyway, they test, they trained dogs to sniff, sniff pathogens in, in like plant pathogens. And I'm like going. And I was like, you have got to train a dog to pick up Pythium and Rosaltonia. [01:16:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:16:09] Speaker B: And he's like, oh, we could probably, I think we could do that. And I mean I was like going, I can't imagine how cool it would be to pull up the field, kick the dogs out and just send them across the field, let them point. Yeah. I'm like, go, go point on it. Go signal on it. On Python. [01:16:24] Speaker C: Yeah. How do you link that with your GPS mapping? It's like we're going to map the field by linking it with these dogs. I bet you could do that. I bet you could do that [01:16:31] Speaker B: with the GPS collars. Now you can do, you can. Absolutely, absolutely. [01:16:34] Speaker C: Of course, [01:16:35] Speaker B: 100 you can do. You can see everywhere that dog went. And every time he signals onto it, you can mark it on your, on your phone and or on the handheld device they have with it. And then you can tone the dog and let him go off and find another spot. Yeah. [01:16:47] Speaker A: He was here in September so like probably the. It's September 18th. Yeah. So you can go Back and listen to it. Super interesting. [01:16:53] Speaker C: That makes sense. I mean, you have dog breeds that are trained for truffle hunting. Yeah, [01:16:57] Speaker A: that's a huge deal. [01:16:58] Speaker D: Yeah. Human. [01:17:00] Speaker A: And pigs [01:17:00] Speaker D: too. Cancer. Aren't they working on that? [01:17:02] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [01:17:03] Speaker B: Listen, he's training like rescue dogs. [01:17:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:17:06] Speaker B: Like not even purpose breast. Yeah, it's. I mean it's [01:17:08] Speaker C: German shepherds. [01:17:09] Speaker B: What they can do is amazing. But [01:17:11] Speaker A: he also talked about other animals that have equal smelling capacities. That dogs are not just the only ones. It's really amazing. [01:17:20] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right. Because pigs are big trouble. Hunters as well. Exactly. Historically, [01:17:24] Speaker B: pigs could probably do it too, but they'd be slower. [01:17:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:17:26] Speaker A: So you guys were at the. Y' all were very gracious and gave us a tour when the NASA group was here, which was really fun and they all really enjoyed that. That was for the most. That's the most. That's the introduction to peanuts for I'd say 95% of them, maybe 99. [01:17:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:17:44] Speaker A: And so they. Now there's an MOU between USDA and NASA and they're working on yield forecasting. So with nas, that puts out the. [01:17:58] Speaker C: Yeah, the stats. [01:17:59] Speaker A: Statistics that go wrong very often. So [01:18:03] Speaker D: statistics, [01:18:04] Speaker B: it depends on what you go. They, they go quote unquote wrong. [01:18:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:18:08] Speaker B: If you're, [01:18:09] Speaker D: if you're [01:18:09] Speaker B: in [01:18:09] Speaker D: the [01:18:09] Speaker B: commodities market, they're not necessarily wrong. If you're a farmer, they're almost always [01:18:13] Speaker A: right. [01:18:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:18:14] Speaker A: So they're putting together a working group of farmers and they're asking farmers if they would like to participate in helping to build out something better for nas. [01:18:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:18:24] Speaker A: And so it's an opportunity. If you guys know somebody that you think might want to. For nice listening is interested. It's going to happen pretty quick. I think probably we'll have the group put together by first of December, maybe second week in December, I think is where we're looking at. So any, any commodity that is doing any kind of projected forecasting I think would be welcome. And. [01:18:48] Speaker C: Yeah, [01:18:49] Speaker A: but. So I don't know that they're looking at peanuts yet, but they're looking at corn, soybean rice, cotton and sorghum. [01:18:55] Speaker C: Well, if they're looking at rice, they could look at peanuts. I think that's. [01:18:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:18:58] Speaker A: A [01:18:59] Speaker C: specialty enough crop. Exactly. Certainly. Surely [01:19:01] Speaker A: you could look at peanuts. [01:19:02] Speaker C: But that NASA thing was, was fascinating. That was, you know, because I mean, I love NASA for all the reasons that everyone else loves NASA, [01:19:07] Speaker A: you know, growing [01:19:08] Speaker C: up with that. But seeing the work that they do on crop modeling and monitoring and imaging, it's like this is maybe the best application of NASA that nobody knows about. And I didn't even know about even being in agriculture, but it was phenomenal what they're doing. [01:19:23] Speaker A: They've released the app now. And so, in fact, I'll text you guys a link. [01:19:28] Speaker C: Yeah, please. [01:19:28] Speaker A: So you can get on and look at it. And there's even a Google form so that people can submit feedback. [01:19:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:19:33] Speaker A: You know, like, hey, this is helpful that this is not helpful. Or this would be helpful if we had this. Yeah. You know, so. Because they're looking at not just what tools do they have right now that they need to add to it, but what do we need to be creating that need to be included as well. [01:19:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:19:49] Speaker A: So, well, [01:19:49] Speaker C: and then what can you do that synergizes what's already available? Like, what can you do that you can plug into chat GPT and [01:19:55] Speaker A: you're not [01:19:56] Speaker C: having to buy a whole [01:19:57] Speaker A: separate [01:19:57] Speaker C: system or develop a server or whatever for [01:20:00] Speaker A: what you [01:20:01] Speaker C: need to analyze. [01:20:01] Speaker A: But I mean, in that, you know, to that point, I mean, you've paid for it with your tax dollars. Why not take advantage of it and give some feedback? And I mean, everybody knows we need to. We need some help with the forecasting ideas. Yeah, that's for sure. [01:20:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:20:14] Speaker B: Well, it's kind of funny because I've, I've got. And I'm. I'm looking at my phone because I'm trying to find the app because I went and opened an account on it and I was trying to mark my maps and everything like that. And at that point in time, I was shaking so bad I couldn't do it, so I might. Well, I was trying to be really, really super precise on it. You [01:20:31] Speaker A: probably should start on the computer. [01:20:32] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's what, that's why I stopped [01:20:34] Speaker C: before coughing, [01:20:35] Speaker A: before coffee, [01:20:36] Speaker C: first thing. [01:20:37] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:20:37] Speaker B: Or after whiskey. Well, either way. It works out. Well, either way. But it was really interesting. But it's kind of funny because I use two different satellite apps and I was paying for both of them. And this year is the first year I put a whiteboard up in my barn and every time I get a rain, I put the date and exactly how much I dumped out of my rain gauge on it. And about six reins in, I realized that my app was showing exactly twice as much as I was getting in the actual rain gauge. [01:21:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:21:06] Speaker B: And so I'm not going. I'm paying a stupid amount of money for these things to be wrong. And so I get to look at it and I go, I can cut that in half. And that'd be about what it was. [01:21:15] Speaker C: Yeah. Interesting. [01:21:16] Speaker B: And so I'm like going. So I'm like, I love saddle. I love the thought behind it. But I'm not going. I'm still not sure that the execution's there. I need to. Yeah. And like my next thing is like buy a real nice Davis weather station. That'll. [01:21:28] Speaker C: I was going to say it's like, surely you could do that. And it's like you can again, I mean not to be like bang the AI drum. But it's like it's so practical. Exactly. Anything you can. Well, just like the iPhone. It's like example, we had a drone, our first drone that we got for taking some pictures. You just plugged your iPhone into it. It's like, well, yeah, you have like a $600 [01:21:44] Speaker B: yeah. [01:21:45] Speaker A: Computer [01:21:46] Speaker C: that it's, it's leveraging all the computing power of that phone instead of making you buy it in the drone. So it's like, why can't we do that with that and plug [01:21:54] Speaker B: it in? Looked really cool. I mean, I haven't got to play. I was, [01:21:57] Speaker A: yeah. [01:21:57] Speaker B: I'll be honest with you. I was doing a lot of traveling over the last two weeks. Matter of fact, I've changed my oil three weeks ago and I got a notice this morning. I need to change them all again. That's how many traveling. Well, [01:22:07] Speaker A: they're, they're, they're setting it like the, the developers like taking like scheduling, you know, calls and zoom meetings for people that want, you know, to go over it and you know, learn how to use it or be introduced to it. Shout [01:22:19] Speaker B: out to him because he did a bang up job in the mapping feature. [01:22:22] Speaker C: Yeah, [01:22:22] Speaker B: it is. I mean if you talk to him, let him know that you're a bang up job mapping function because it's really cool. I mean you can actually have it do automatically look at your farm and it'll pull out the crop. Different crop groups. It didn't do them quite like I wanted them to be done. And I had some blocks that are the same grape here and the same grape over here and it showed them as two separate ones. And so that's why I was trying to do it manually. Yeah. But I mean it was wicked cool. I mean, [01:22:48] Speaker C: yeah. [01:22:49] Speaker B: Down to getting your soil types right and looking at it thinking that's updated from when I looked at the web soil survey. Yeah. 15 years ago. Yeah. You know, in my soil type I'm like. And that makes a big difference in growing anything. Yeah. Knowing your soil type is a, is A big. It showed me more variability than I ever imagined would actually be out there, because a lot of that stuff is, over time, it kind of looks homogeneous, but it's not necessarily homogeneous. [01:23:14] Speaker A: Well, I don't know. I just think it's like, an amazing opportunity for. For farmers to take advantage of something their tax dollars have paid for. [01:23:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:23:23] Speaker A: And that can actually be really helpful. [01:23:25] Speaker C: Yeah. And in real time as well, because, like, a lot of that stuff is, like, you're getting historical satellite data looking at a picture of your farm or whatnot. But this is stuff that's making multiple passes a day in some cases. You know, [01:23:36] Speaker A: we've [01:23:36] Speaker B: got just a few minutes. I'm done. Okay. I want to ask you a question. You mentioned the drone for page pictures. Have you started using the drone for anything other than just pictures? [01:23:46] Speaker C: We haven't yet. Pictures have been really, really helpful. But also, too, it's. You got to be. You got to be able to make it worth it. I mean, a drone is great, but you still have to get out there and be timely with everything. But we're. We're trying to. There. That's always the. Our. Our discussion is what technology is worth it and what, like, is it worth it to add that complexity to this? [01:24:06] Speaker A: You know that speaking of NASA, they have a. Like, a really simple stem project where you can make the. What's it called? I don't know. It's a thing that reads the colors on plants. [01:24:18] Speaker B: Oh, like infrared. [01:24:19] Speaker C: Yeah, just color data. Like red, green, [01:24:24] Speaker A: blue. You can download that data. Yeah. And it's like, kids are supposed to make it. I mean, like, and strap it to the bottom of your drum. [01:24:31] Speaker B: I saw. Yeah, we did. We had some, like, a lot of research has been done in our vineyards, and one of them they did was. Was with, like, infrared looking at plant stress and determining irrigation and that stuff. And it basically boiled down to. Yeah, it just says water all the time, so [01:24:50] Speaker C: I know it. Yeah, go ahead. [01:24:52] Speaker D: Well, at some level, we were talking to some people that work in the research side of Peanuts, and they can't. We were visiting and going through everything, and we do everything plant by plant. I mean, Dylan does it, I do it, we're in it. We live there. And they. At the end, they said, you. You guys, this is like all you do. You just. Y' all just work really hard. I was like, yeah. [01:25:13] Speaker A: Yes. [01:25:14] Speaker D: Like, we. At some level, like, Dylan was saying, like, we try to look at technology, but it has to be something that. Where we're still connected to it, because, like, there's something about, about being in the field. Yeah. And it's different than sending somebody and getting some, some pictures. There's so many things that, that you miss that we're doing it more. I don't know, like artisanal, like artisanal breeding or something. And, and we personally go all over the world, like, and one, one thing I wanted to. To finish with was in Malawi, we got a. We got a big project in Malawi and a report just came out with. Yeah. This week. [01:25:49] Speaker C: A few days [01:25:50] Speaker D: ago. Right. If pre. I don't even know what it stands for. It's a [01:25:52] Speaker C: policy institute out of D.C. [01:25:53] Speaker D: they did a economics study of, of the country and Pixis is the company we work with. And like they have a sheller and they're selling seed. [01:26:02] Speaker A: Okay. And [01:26:02] Speaker D: they're contracting and they're buying farmer stock and they were talking about forever. It was like, for every dollar that was invested, there was like a $85 return and that the money was going to the poorest. [01:26:13] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [01:26:15] Speaker D: And so at some level, what we're talking about here, like with, with the farmers here, I mean, it's like, it's nothing new. We, we believe that if we can get like a seed is magic. It's as close to [01:26:28] Speaker A: magic [01:26:28] Speaker D: as you [01:26:28] Speaker A: can [01:26:28] Speaker D: get. [01:26:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:26:29] Speaker D: If we can get a seed that performs well for the farmer, that. That's all the same work. That they're doing all the same work in the field. And if they get double the yield. [01:26:39] Speaker A: Yes. [01:26:40] Speaker D: Or it's a, you know, it's worth more or. Right, [01:26:42] Speaker A: right. [01:26:43] Speaker D: We can do that. That's our little part. And we just hand it off to them there. That, that is the biggest impact that we can make. [01:26:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:26:50] Speaker D: Is to give the farmer the choice and the seed to do well and then tie it all the way in to the, to the customer. To where there's, there's transparency in the supply chain. To where. Where. No. No part of the supply chain, as much as you can, [01:27:06] Speaker A: is [01:27:06] Speaker D: abusing the rest of the supply [01:27:07] Speaker A: chain. Yes. And [01:27:08] Speaker D: so that's. That's our, our thing. We. So [01:27:11] Speaker A: you guys. We haven't even talked about that because you guys have a, A partnership. A grant there. [01:27:16] Speaker D: Yes. [01:27:17] Speaker A: With. What's his name? Gates. Right. It's a Gates foundation grant to do work. That's amazing. [01:27:24] Speaker D: And guess what we're doing. Exactly, exactly. [01:27:27] Speaker A: Same [01:27:27] Speaker D: thing here. Yes. We [01:27:28] Speaker C: copied and pasted it into rural Moab. [01:27:30] Speaker D: You try to, you try to give people what they need. Yeah. [01:27:33] Speaker A: You [01:27:33] Speaker D: don't insult them by saying, well, here you go. You know, it's like, no. You give them options and you say, what do you like? [01:27:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:27:40] Speaker C: They want a very different peanut than we're used to in North America. So we were very humbled the first few years, [01:27:45] Speaker D: and we're getting some really cool traits, and we're screening for a lot of cool things to come back because. See that? [01:27:50] Speaker A: You [01:27:51] Speaker D: talk about extreme environments. Yeah. In, like, they're just doing things by hand. No irrigation, no seed treatments. So we're screening material for Texas in the future. But when you grow, like, growing the good is. Our motto is growing the good is the mission. And you give tools to people, entrust it to reliable people who can take that and do more with it than you could ever dream. Yeah. Like that. That's our. That's our mission. [01:28:18] Speaker A: It reminds me, the Texas Seed Trade Commission says it starts with the seed there. And I'm like, that's [01:28:24] Speaker D: what the seed would say. [01:28:25] Speaker C: Yeah, of course. [01:28:26] Speaker B: Yeah. But [01:28:27] Speaker A: there's [01:28:27] Speaker B: so [01:28:27] Speaker A: much [01:28:27] Speaker B: truth to you. [01:28:29] Speaker D: Of course we sell seed. So that's all I'm thinking about. It's like, let me tell you, the seed. [01:28:34] Speaker B: I got the tea. It takes a second seed Trade association scholarship. When I was in tech at Tech. So, hey, I'm proud of that. [01:28:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:28:39] Speaker D: Tilt the world Operators at the backbone. [01:28:41] Speaker C: The backbone of America. That's [01:28:42] Speaker D: right. [01:28:44] Speaker C: Yeah. Will Ferrell, reference. [01:28:46] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, my gosh. Thank y' all for coming. [01:28:49] Speaker C: Yeah, y', all, too. We super appreciate the invitation. It [01:28:52] Speaker A: always goes so fast. [01:28:53] Speaker B: It does. Yeah. [01:28:54] Speaker A: We're [01:28:54] Speaker C: looking at some of the other podcasts. Like, nah, I bet this won't last that long. This [01:28:57] Speaker D: is our first. Our first podcast. [01:28:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:29:01] Speaker D: Official podcast sponsor of International Peanut Group. [01:29:03] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right. All [01:29:04] Speaker B: right. [01:29:04] Speaker A: Okay. Wonderful. [01:29:06] Speaker D: You [01:29:06] Speaker A: know. Wonderful. Well, we. We had a new sponsor that is sponsoring us every month, and that is Port Plains. You know who they are. They're like the alliance. They're building the highways and the. We had Lauren. I have a hard time pronouncing his last name, so [01:29:24] Speaker B: I had it until you asked me. We just always called his dad Mr. G. [01:29:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that. But he was on a few weeks ago. Really crazy. [01:29:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:29:35] Speaker A: That stuff that they're looking at, building it, how expensive it's gonna be. But the stuff that they're talking about, like with electric cars and drones and all, [01:29:42] Speaker D: sponsor [01:29:43] Speaker C: you [01:29:44] Speaker D: lifetime supply of. Of raw peanuts [01:29:48] Speaker A: with [01:29:48] Speaker C: the disclaimer that they are a raw product. [01:29:52] Speaker A: Don't [01:29:52] Speaker C: eat them. [01:29:52] Speaker B: Wrong. [01:29:54] Speaker A: Yes. [01:29:54] Speaker B: You have no idea how many peanuts I can eat. [01:29:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:29:56] Speaker D: For real. We'll give you. We'll give you. Yeah. [01:29:59] Speaker C: We should have brought some in. Now this is the right time. [01:30:01] Speaker A: That's right. Well friends, thanks for being here and thank you Port Plains Alliance. And we will be back next week and next week we have Brownfield economic. Yes. Director. Which is Gina Kelly. So excited to have her back or on [01:30:17] Speaker B: back on. That's [01:30:17] Speaker A: right. [01:30:18] Speaker B: Be fun time talking about what economic development corporations do. How they got started. [01:30:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:30:24] Speaker B: What they got planned and what they've done. It's. We [01:30:26] Speaker D: got it. We got a grant from them that helped us in the meeting. Really. [01:30:29] Speaker A: So that's great. [01:30:31] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:30:31] Speaker A: I want to ask her about SPAG too. The council governances and so it's going to be interesting. [01:30:36] Speaker B: Brownfield is a. Is. Has changed a lot in the last 10 years. You know and I've, I've really enjoyed watching the change for, for, you know, my, my default setting is everything gets worse [01:30:51] Speaker A: default setting. [01:30:51] Speaker B: That's my truth. Yeah. [01:30:53] Speaker C: Especially as you age. [01:30:54] Speaker B: Listen, in the, in the last week, this is why I say everything is getting. It's worse in the last week. My, my dishwasher's gone out, my refrigerator went out, my freezer went out. Last night, my stove is going out and my microwave is going out in about 14 days. [01:31:08] Speaker A: Well, when your sink goes out, then we'll be right there with you. When I lived in Earth [01:31:12] Speaker D: and you're getting half as much rain as you're supposed to. [01:31:14] Speaker C: That's right. That's [01:31:15] Speaker A: right. [01:31:18] Speaker B: It's so disruptive. Point. You get down there like, oh, I got three quarters of an inch of rain. Oh, crap. Three tenths. Never [01:31:23] Speaker C: mind. Yeah, it was good while it lasted. That's [01:31:25] Speaker A: right. [01:31:26] Speaker B: But I did get 1.8 inches out of the last one, so. [01:31:28] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah, [01:31:29] Speaker B: everything's good and wet and I'm having fun chasing birds now, so. [01:31:32] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [01:31:33] Speaker A: Well, we will be back next week, same bat time, same bat channel. Bye. [01:31:37] Speaker C: Awesome.